In this conversation, Chris explores the philosophical foundations of his new book, The Abstract Mind, drawing on William James's concept of vicious abstractionism and Alfred North Whitehead's fallacy of misplaced concreteness to examine how thinking itself can become a source of suffering. Building on the insights of No Self, No Problem, he considers the distinction between consciousness and thought, the role of affective neuroscience and embodied development, and why direct experience may offer a path beyond abstraction. Along the way, he reflects on artificial intelligence, contemplative practice, and what it might mean to come home to the immediacy of lived experience.