In this conversation, John Prendergast explores embodied spirituality — an awakening that moves “down and in” rather than “up and out,” fully inhabiting the body rather than transcending it. He speaks to open awareness, the felt sense, and the subtle constrictions the body holds, drawing together his decades as a psychotherapist and his years with nondual teachers in the lineage of Jean Klein and Kashmiri Shaivism. He reflects on the confluence of psychological healing and spiritual realization, and what it means to find a resonant, spacious presence that is both deeply personal and larger than the self.